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over for the fiscal cliff. the republican plan has will00 billion for tax freerm 900 billion in mandatory spending cuts and 300 billion in discretionary cuts. the proposal falls short of what the president wants and cannot be taken seriously. >>> we understand they don't agree with everything the president has put on the table but we haven't seen alternatives for that. they have spoken about an avenue and that challenge is welcome. republican leaders have been adamant they don't believe rates ought to go up on the top 2 percent of wealthiest americans. the american people overwhelmingly disagree. the rates have to rise and republicans need to acknowledge that. >> the major difference between the two sides is over taxing on the rich. obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthy. obama wants to eliminate deductions and close loopholes plus cut spending for entitlement programs. the president has said there can't be tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the domestic program which is frustrating for some republicans. >> this president, i think the president with president obama he
over the fiscal cliff and also because the marginal tax rates are going to automatically increase, which means any lower tax rates president obama will ask for is tax cuts and not an argument you are raising taxes on someone. for all those reasons, the democrats have a lot of leverage in january but that does not mean the democrats should wait till january, what happens after december 31st is everybody can lose. the kind of pressure we have psychologically and politically right now to get a deal done before we hit 2013, that kind of pressure and deadline pressure and momentum you're not going to have after you're over the fiscal cliff. so every day that goes by after january 1st isn't going to look like that big of a deal and essentially, time will run out for both parties, you will have a lot of problems in 2013, they will take the lion's share away from fiscal dealmaking, senate confirmation, have the debt ceiling, the long-delayed nuclear negotiableses with iran, going to have posturing for the 2014 campaigns. all of those things are going to suck out the moment up that we have
or not the rich are going to get taxed through the fiscal cliff, they're already getting taxed, right? through this. >> i think people forget there are lots of fiscal cliff taxes, but just what president obama wallets and, you know, forget about the fiscal cliff, what his mandate is, essentially, forces a lot of taxes, including income tax increases. if you look at obamacare, there's a surcharge on income. and, you know, it's pretty scary between that and the capital gains, we're talking about, you know, we're talking about hitting people with a huge tax bill. and we should point out that this is the alleged rich, the millionaires and billionaires who make $200,000 a year. martha: right, exactly. exactly right. [laughter] you know, if you live in a metropolitan area really anywhere across the country and you make $200,000 if you're an individual, $250,000 together if you're a couple and you have any investments, right? >> any investments, but also even if you don't have investments, i think there's a surcharge on income here, which, you know, aside from that. and i'll tell you, this is the rea
parker, thank you. i want to talk to you some more. we'll go back to the fiscal cliff. if high end tax rates are successful entrepreneurs rocket higher, you can bet the number of millionaires in this country is going south. that's if high taxes go up. millionaires go down. that's no good. in our land of opportunity, i want more millionaires. and i think the better for them and the economy. robert frank will join us with some very arresting numbers. high tax, fewer millionaires. not good. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. >>> 28 days until the country plummets off the tax and fiscal cliff. big tax hikes could be coming for everyone but we see also a drastic redu
, starting january 1st we go over that so-called fiscal cliff, tax rates go up not just for the rich but for the middle class, for everyone, all those cuts in domestic spending and naths security spending, they go into effect. people aren't going to be happy about that, and the president will be able to say, look, i begged them, i repeatedly said 98% of the american public, they wouldn't get a tax increase if we just took them out of the equation, let's pass legislation extending the bush tax cuts for everyone earning under $250,000 a year. they didn't do it. so, you know, he'll have some leverage on that in terms of the politics because politically, you know, the polls all are very consistent. the election results are pretty consistent. the american public is ready for a modest increase in taxes for the upper 2% of taxpayers. having said that, there's another issue that's coming up in february or march and that's raising the debt ceiling once again. the republicans have a lot of leverage on that right now because the white house, the administration will desperately want to raise tha
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if the fiscal cliff talks goes down what impact will that go on consumer spending. >> if our tax go up and our expenses go up, then we have less discretionary income and 70% of the u.s. economy is driven by the consumers, by us. so that is really important that we absolutely focus on economic growth and don't penalize the consumers going forward. >> so you're saying it would have an impact on your business? >> i think it absolutely would because if our discretionary income is going to be less and we're paying more tax we will have less discretionary income for things like everything. including aublings. >> so what kind of contingency plan is ford making in case we do go over the cliff? >> well, our plan has always been to match our production to the real demand. and we have a very flexible manufacturing system. so you know, if we didn't get this solved and we didn't have as many sales, we would lower our production to meet that real demand like we have in the past. >> looking to the new year, the business environment, consumer sentiment, how are things shaping up for ford? >> well, right now i
money to shareholders ahead of the fiscal cliff, and threat of higher taxes on dividends, tonight's word on the street is "special." jill malandrino is with the options-profits team at the- street.com. jill, you contend that these special dividends are not so special, why not? >> well, ask yourself are the companies actually creating more share holder value. this cash already exists on the balance sheet and the obvious reason they're doing this is to sort of avoid that fiscal cliff and hurting their shareholders with such high tax implications because for a lot of high earners out there their tax rate could potentially triple. so they want to sort of reward people that are impatient investing with bringing some of these forward or creating special tax dividends. >> tom: but isn't it rewarding shareholders, creating new value but transfering it from the company to the shareholders. look at costco, for instance, announcing a one-time $7 per share dividend. the stock hit new high, even borrowing the money to pay these shareholders. >> well, you have to ask yourself if costco is still more o
that fiscal cliff and hurting their shareholders with such high tax implications because for a lot of high earners out there their tax rate could potentially triple. so they want to sort ofrerd peoe impatient investing with bringing some of these forward or creating special tax dividends. >> tom: but isn't it rewarding shareholders, creating new value but transfering it from the company to the shareholders. look at costco, for instance, announcing a one-time $7 per share dividend. the stock hit new high, even borrowing the money to pay these shareholders. >> well, you have to ask yourself if costco is still more of a growth company. they pay 27.5 cents per share each quarter per dividend. this $7 dividend is six plus years of them making dividend payments and they have to access the capital markets to create this special cash dividend. they could have maybe done over things. maybe they didn't have to increase their debt position on the balance sheet. there are other things they could have done such as maybe investing in key areas with growth within the group that they're-- . >> tom: money
will go over the fiscal cliff. >> this is a compromise on taxes. this is a compromise on mandatory spending. and it's a compromise on discretionary spending over what the select committee had debated. >> i should mention that erskine bowles has put out a statement himself. while i'm flattered the speaker would call something the bowles plan. the outline in the letter the speaker sent to the president does not represent the bowles simpson plan, nor is it the bowles plan in my testimony on deficit reduction. i simply took the mid point of the public offers, put forward during the negotiations to demonstrate where i thought a deal could be reached at the time. he's very much backing away from speaker boehner's letter. the question i wanted to ask you is some of the details, as you know, it's all in. >> can we spin one more point on that? >> absolutely. >> here's speaker boehner who is taking a mid point on the compromise between the two sides and offered it, and it's already flatley rejected? >> i think he may be rejected, sir, if i may -- >> i'm not talking about simpson -- erskine b
to congress. january 1, 2013, new tax rates and rolls kick in. january 2, 2013, $110 billion in fiscal cliff spending cuts due to begin. march 27, 2013, funding of the federal government expires. august 1, 2013, white house's suggested deadline for resolving major changes to the tax code and entitlements. ron has this to say about the fiscal cliff -- let's hear from ray in philadelphia, a republican caller. caller: good morning. i think the republicans have to get out a better message. if we realize we ran out of money for all the programs we are having, what is going to happen in another 10 years? what happens is, these people earning more than $250,000, they worked from the age of 18 to move up the ladder and finally reached success. the pint the republicans have to make is it is time to lower taxes on middle-class families. it has reached a pinnacle. it is time to may be lower taxes on the middle-class. we have to cut spending because the economy is in such bad positicondition. democrats keep pointing out that 98% of businesses are less than $250,000. 98% of people working in those busine
't be a fiscal cliff deal without that tax increase. the white house today dismissed that counteroffer as nothing new and urged republicans to "get serious about the fiscal cliff negotiations." but, scott, that's exactly what republicans were saying about the president on friday. >> pelley: wyatt, thank you. the president has not decided whether to order an end to a strike that has crippled traffic at the nation's two busiest seaports. the ports of los angeles and long beach shut down after a few dozen clerical workers walked off the job and dock workers refused to cross their picket line. bill whitaker has the latest. >> reporter: 11 huge cargo ships are stuck offshore, piled high with containers of food, toys, lumber. 14 others sit untouched at the docks. >> if you guys could start handing the fliers out. >> reporter: transporters, wholesalers and retailers are growing angst. ingrid lazcano, owner of andean dream, imports quinoa, popular right now in the u.s. her last shipment was diverted to mexico, another was diverted to chile. >> we have about $400,000 worth of merchandise at stake and our
. >>> call it the fiscal cliff follies, because with 28 days remaining before massive tax hikes and spending cuts kick in, democrats and republicans are ridiculing each other's ideas. it's a recipe for recession. the gop offering up its first plan which calls for $2.2 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade, including $800 billion in tax reforms, 600 million in medicare reforms and spending cuts. but the president rejected it outright because it does not contain tax hikes for the rich. time is running out. any sign of serious negotiation on the horizon? >> i'd say on the horizon, that would be fair. the log jam that you're watching, we're expecting to continued likely until next week. so don't be surprised if you see that. i think the policy prescriptions here, what needs to be done to find a package for deficit reduction are clear. right now you're watching the politics play out. all you need do is open your ears, listen to the white house, listen to congressional republicans you'll hear them playing the blame game. >> making vague promises about achieving revenue through capping d
, theman some democrats blame for the fiscal cliff impasse, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. and the many ands a finger to about fixing it, michael reagan, founder of the reagan group. i wantto start with the republicans plan that they put on the table. they have been accused of doing nothing and all. they come up with their own plan which inclus 800 billion in revenue from closing loopholes and eliminating deductions and then 1 billion in spendin cuts. it is being rejected from the get go by democrats. grover, what do you say? >> i think the republicans had a very good pl called lorraine budg. they alloted for it in the house. itsaves $6 trillion over the same decade, and they did not raise taxes and all. i really think of the president is not iterested in compromising, and not sure it is wise with the republicans to keep moving in his direction. i suppos it ge you five minutes on the nightly news to say you are being reasonable, but the president keeps saying he jst wants massive tax increase no spendin cus. he wants to increase spending as part of this deal. the pr
critical in the fiscal cliff discussion is we are talking about the patch for the 2012 tax year. unlike the rest of the fiscal cliff, which affects tax rates that will play next year, the patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year. so if there is not congressional action here, there is an abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year in 20 of 11 approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there's not a patch, 30 million people will be required to pay the amt in 2012 for the current taxable year and they will pay an additional $90 billion in tax. very few of them have any idea. >> host: is the irs prepared? >> guest: the irs took a fairly unusual -- but i think correct position. they took the position that congress will do the responsible name. so they did their tax program for next year, for the 2012 return, assuming congress would enact the patch before the end. i think that was a reasonable thing to do because i believe they will do that. however, it does mean if there is not a patch, the tax return idling season next year would be quite chaotic. >
. will they survive the fiscal cliff? is it a tax deduction for the rest next? >> reporter: ♪ gerri: one source of new revenues under discussion in the fiscal of today limiting deductions for the wealthy, even charitable deductions. it's a controversial idea that has cut and a lot of attention following a recent washington post op-ed. overwhelmingly the charitable deduction benefits the wealthy. here to discuss, president of independent sector and stacey stewart, president of the united weight both of whom met at the white house with the president. white house officials pleading there case. i can't imagine having to better guess for this segment. i want to start with this idea because it kind of blew me away when i saw. a major beneficiary for the charitable deddction, the %-i thought what about that charities and all the people who do -- to rely on them for there good work. let's start with you. entellus the, you know, who does benefit from the charitable deduction? who does your charities serve? >> the notion that the charitable deduction benefits the wealthy is simply the wrong way to think about t
report on companies issuing special dividends to avoid fiscal cliff tax hikes. >>> when it comes to attracting business, don't mess with texas. >> shake and bake. that just happened. >> more from texas governor rick perry. >>> plus we'll talk to his go-to guy for business development as the third hour of "squawk box" begins right now. ♪ jump back to texas it's not the same since you went away before you lose your accent ♪ ♪ and forget all about the lone star state ♪ ♪ there's a seat for you >>> welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc, first in business worldwide. i'm joe kernen along with becky quick, andrew ross sorkin is off this week. our guest host this morning rick perry, the handsome distinguished governor of texas. why do people say great state of texas every time you say it? >> because you don't want to mess with texas basically. >> much more to come from the governor. >>> the white house is rejecting a republican proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the ten-year, $2.2 trillion plan keeps bush-era tax cuts in place for all taxpayers. the white house has maintai
. >> stephen: fiscal cliff, yeah. >> trillions of dollars of spending cuts and tax increases that are going to happen when the ball drops on new year's eve unless president obama and congress come to some sort of compromise. >> stephen: all right so, we're all doomed. >> it's like the movie thaw you have to either cut off your arm or die. so they will come-- they will cut off their arm. >> stephen: do you know, do you know what kind of ratings the news could get if they could get politicians to cut off their arms on camera? okay. -- (cheers and applause) >> stephen: as i said senior white house correspondent for abc news. the only news anybody watches any more. >> i think that's true. >> stephen: and you have got eye new book here called the outpost, an untold story of american valor. this is about the war in afghanistan. >> it's about one combat outpost in afghanistan, 14 miles from the pakistan border, built at the bottom of three very steep mountains, built in 2006. and overrun in 2009 by the taliban. >> stephen: let's put a picture of this space right here. >> that's it. >> stephen: the
that the republicans passed two bills that take care of the fiscal cliff. they extend of the tax cuts and a change the sequestration. the democrats hammer them on that each time. they are not going to give the democrats a chance to hammer them once again. host: our democrats putting deductions and loopholes and specifically on the table? guest: yes, the president has been very specific. he has said, first things first, let's let the high end tax cuts expire and lock in these trillion dollars savings. then he says on deductions, let's cap the major ones, the mortgage interest, the charitable, the state allen local -- and local. the banker's comments of getting 35% subsidy on the mortgage, he will get 20%. -- 28%. and then there are tax cuts in medicare, but they are reasonable. if you do not do these tax deductions and you do not do the high end incumbent bush tax cuts, it gets in devastated. the ryan budget was very back loaded. and it was not in the first 10 years. there are trade-offs. host: maverick writes in and said, i see a problem giving tax -- a problem with giving tax credits for hiring u
look pretty scary from a tax perspective there. if we went over the fiscal cliff it would increase taxes 5.6 trillion. that is 10-year period. fairly say no one believes we would stay on the road for 10 years. i want to do it so you do side by side comparison. spending cuts 1.2 trillion. the president wants to raise taxes 1.6 trillion. cut spending by 600. the house plan looks like sort of a flip-flop of that. what do you think of all these numbers. what do you make of it? what is your first impression? >> i think the point that you made is almost in passing is very ey point. these are projections. the 10-year projections. when was last time in washington 10-year spending projections actually came in at or below what the projections were meant to be? it never happens. same is true on the revenue side with taxes. i think the numbers we're laying out here are probably the quote, unquote best-case scenario in terms of what could actually happen. just in terms of the pure math. not in terms whether or not it is good policy, just in terms of pure math. one reason going over the cliff l
the oil companies. this year to avoid the tax with the fiscal cliff. >> a warning from the centers for disease control this coming flu season could be a particularly bad one. if you have not got a flu shot, you might want to consider it. dr. randy bergen with kaiser in walnut creek says that the strain of the flu is also more polled net this year which is why everyone over the age of 6 months to get a flu shot. especially those most at risk. many people avoid the flu shot out of fear that it will give them the flu. not true says dr. bergen. >> according to the cdc's more than a third of americans have been vaccinated, and the vaccine formulated for this year is well matched to the strands of the virus seems so far. >> the alameda county sheriff's office says that it wants to use drones. this is video of the drones they are talking about. the sheriff's office unveiled them to the public last october saying that the aircraft would be used for search and rescue operations as well as criminal investigations. however, the american civil liberties union is worried that the police could a
to go over the fiscal cliff. there will be some sort of resolution. they'll come up with some tax cuts, some breaks in spending, and probably kick the can down the road on a lot of it. i love the way this market is acting. it's not selling off with all the bad news, all the bickering, all the bad words on each side. you've got to love the way that this market is holding up here. doesn't mean investors need to be carefree, but overall, it looks like the market is setting up with a lot of negative sentiment out there. looks like there's a lot of opportunity for a big run higher once we get some form of resolution. i really believe we're going to get it. >> you think by year end? >> i really do. i think they want to go home for christmas. they're not going to want to not go home for christmas. you can always count on politicians to do the right thing when all other options have been exploited. they're going to finally get there because they have to. they're not going to solve 100% of it right away. >> jump in, abbigail. >> i think it's too early to be bearish or bullish, for that matter.
if this is not good enough for the white house, we will go over the fiscal cliff because this is a compromise on taxes. this is a compromise on mandatory spending and it's a compromise on discretionary spending over what the select committee had debated. >> the details if we can and i should mention that erskine bowles put out a statement saying this -- does not represent the bowles-simpson plan, nor is it the bowles plan. in my testimony before the joint select committee on deficit reduction, i simply took the midpoint of the public offers to demonstrate where i thought a deal could be reached at the time. he's very much backing away from speaking boehner's letter, but the question i wanted the to ask you -- >> can we spend one more point on that? >> of course. >> what did he say? that was the midpoint of a compromise from the two. so, here's speaker boehner who is taking a new point on the compromise between the two sides and offered it and it's already flatly rejected? >> i think what he might be rejecting, sir, if i may -- >> no, i'm not talking abo about erskine bowles. >> i think what he's sayin
cliff. we have fewer tax increases than the president wants, allison? >> reporter: pam, house republicans say this is their attempt to counterwhat they call the la la land offer from president barack obama. republicans want 1.2 pill caron dollars in spending -- trillion dollars in spending cuts and that's almost twice as much as what the president has proposed. they are not raising tax rates on the wealthy which the president has demanded. they are also proposing 200 billion in savings for changes by potentially lowering the costs in increasing eligibility standards. that could be a major sticking point for congressional democrats but the president needs more details but he does not like what republicans are offering. look at how house democratic national convention democrats may try to force tax rates from wealthier americans, reporting live allison burns, ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> they are trying to make homes livable, under the program the city of new york will send contractors at no charge to homeowners. 400 project have been completed -- projects have been complete
a year end deadline, the white house is wasting no time rejecting the republicans' fiscal cliff counter offer on tax reforms and spending cuts. the gop plan consists of $2.2 trillion in saving officials a decade including raging the age for medicare from 65 to 67 and lowering the cost of living increases for social security benefits. they also propose overhauling the tax code to generate $800 billion in new revenue but without raising taxes on the wealthy. frn in a letter to the president, republicans attempted to sell the offer as the erskine bowles plan, comparing it to the same offer he drew up last year. >> i think he'd disagree. >> the co-chair of obama's deficit commission, but yesterday mr. bowles flatly rejected that connection. meanwhile, the white house is turning to campaign style messaging as a reminder of whose tax plan was chosen in the court of public opinion on election day. >> under my plan, first of all, 98% of folks who make less than 250,000, you wouldn't see your income taxes go up a single dime. all right? because you're the ones who need relief. but we're not goin
on twitter about the fiscal cliff. he is promoting a reference to the estimated tax increase and middle income families would see if rates are not extended, the latest would extend tax cuts for everyone including americans and who the president wants to exclude. the white house says the proposal is too short on specifics. >> we can't guess what they are, they need to tell us and they look forward to the time when they are specific with the ways we have dealt with it. >> they don't like what republicans want to do to social security and more on that during my next update. reporting live, allison burns, ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> 5:14 in florida, they have released a photo of george zimmerman, showing george zimmerman with a swollen nose and blood did i face. they responded and said it adds nothing new to the case. the volunteer watch man is charged with second-degree murder and his trial is due to begin next june. >>> contra costa police officer was taken to the hospital after an attack. it happened at the college yesterday morning. he was hit in the face with a small metal object.
since the election and the fiscal cliff face off. he reiterated that lying in the sand is higher taxes for the wealthy. he gave republicans some room to maneuver. >> the issue right now that's relevant is the acknowledgment that if we're going to raise revenues that are sufficient to balance with the very tough cuts that we've already made and the further reforms and entitlemented ientitlements i'm prepared to make, we have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not getting a deal without it. understand the reason for that. it's not me being stubborn or partisan, it's a matter of math. >> and the gop plan, which was unveiled yesterday, includes $800 bill onin new taxes made through closing loopholes and deductions and not raising rates. compare that to the president's plan and that's about half of what the white house asked for. republicans propose 600 billion in entitlement saving including raising the medicare requirement to 67, nearly twice what the white house called for. the gop plan changes how social security benefits are calculated, something addressed under the president'
for you. in republicans' counteroffer to avert the fiscal cliff, the rich get to keep their bush era tax cuts, even as the boehner budget slashes $1.2 trillion in spending, half of it from medicare, medicaid, and other social programs. it is a lump of coal delivered by the republican reindeer to the vast majority of americans. as for new revenues, they have reached in santa's sack for that old favorite. they plan to raise $800 billion by closing loopholes and deductions. only one problem a problem that flummoxes no less than mitt romney and paul ryan throughout the campaign, a problem as real today as it will be tomorrow -- the math. as the president explained in his first post-election interview on bloomberg this afternoon. >> it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue, and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes and deductions, then it's going to be middle class families who make up the difference. >> indeed. as the president notes, you can't get $800 billion in revenue without eliminating, for example, charitable deductions, which would put all m
are talking about the patch about the 2012 taxable year, and unlike the fiscal cliff that affects tax rates that apply next year, the patch applies to the return that we will all have to file early next year. if there is not congressional action here, there is the abrupt increase in tax on the 2012 taxable year under -- in 2011, approximately 4 million people paid the amt. if there's not a patch, 30 # million people will be required to pay in 2012, and for the current taxable year, and they will pay app additional $90 billion in tax. none of them -- few of them have any idea that this is on the table. >> host: is the isr prepared? >> guest: the irs took a fairly unusual, but i think correct position, taking the position that congress will do the responsible thing so they did their tax programming for next year for the 2012 return, assuming congress would enact the patch before the end of the year. if -- i think that was the reasonable thing to do because almost -- even i believe they will do that -- however, it does mean if there's not a patch, the tax return filing season next year will be
. >>> back to our conversation on the so-called fiscal cliff. the debt reducing tax hikes and federal spending cuts coming january 1st unless congress and the president act. so now both sides have offers on the table, the democrats' plan which would focus debt reduction on higher tax rates for the wealthiest 2%. house republicans, they anted up yesterday with a plan to cut the debt through tax code and spending reforms, not through higher tax rates for the wealthy. if there is no agreement, you know the deal, everyone, everyone's taxes go up. representative tom price of georgia joins me now from capitol hill. he is a hard line republican. congressman, good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> yes, thank you so much. good to be with you. >> the republican plan published yesterday, it is note worthry, congressman price, it would raise more money through the tax system this and is a pretty big departure for your republican party. i just want to know, do you support this proposal put forward by the speaker of the house? >> well, this proposal is just part of the overall package. remember,
to do in the short term is avoid the fiscal cliff. the major decisions with regard to tax reform, social insurance programs, et cetera, can't and shouldn't be made until next year, after the american people are engaged and the committees do their work. >> david gergen, how do you get the political solution that opens the door to the policy conversations? >> well, i was encouraged that the republicans actually came forward with something today. a lot of people thought they would not. the president as you know, his team rejected it late this afternoon, but nonetheless, if people truly want to find a bridge to avoid the fiscal cliff, a way to get to the big issues as david walker says would have to come next year, i think they're the makings of it here. each side will have to compromise some more. each side will have to eat a little crow but i think it's imperative that the president take the view that what he's looking for is a win-win. if they take a win-win approach, i think they can get a deal. >> comment on that point. if two wrongs don't make a right but the two nonstarters maybe make
and entitlements at tate days from going over the fiscal cliff which is called the series of spending cuts and expiring tax breaks which would be an economic disaster. the sticking point is the call for higher taxes for families, higher taxes on amounts earned above $250,000. everyone gets the tax cut, the first $250,000 is not taxable only but that. the president says, look, i ran on this and i am going to do this. but he is signaling he could be flexible on how high they would go. ed henry is like. this has been out there for a few days. >>reporter: that right. the president had the governors in today and they underdiscover the fiscal cliff will not just impact the national economy but have a lot of impact on state and local economies, as well, and their state budgets, et cetera. the president, though, is standing firm. and jake carney saying unless the republicans give in on tax rates and raise the bush tax rates on the rich, there is no deal and the president is willing to go off the cliff. they hammered speaker boehner's proposal. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we are t
the problem. to just go off the fiscal cliff and everyone will be taxed more. some say we don't take from some group and give to the other. some say go to the clinton tax rate. we had a booming economy and creating more jobs. if increasing taxes increases economic activity, why don't we go to a 95% tax rate and then we'll really have a booming economy? the reason that no one proposes that is because no one really believes that. that's why the accelerated tax rate that's being recommended by the white house is also being proposed by another stimulus plan, a spending plan. here's the example that i can talk about with this. when people talk about just raise taxes in the upper 2%, well, here's an example of what's being proposed by the president. capital gains will go to 28.3%. dividends will go from 15% to 43.4%. now, i have a lot of people that will say to me, just raise it on the upper bracket. but when i tell them, can i tell you what that means? their taxes go from 15% to 43.4%, i have yet someone stop me and say, that's fair. it sounds so much easier to say, raise it on someone else, not on
the dividends from next year into this year. if we do go over the fiscal cliff, dividends will be taxed at more than 44% versus the 15% they're taxed at now. so companies are trying to find a way for shareholders to get in a little bit early no matter what happens with the fiscal cliff. >> all right. you know what, you can take the two plans, are split them down the middle. you sort of see the compromise. >> $1.2 trillion, exactly. by the way, you sound terrible. you're stuffed up. take care of your cold. >> thank you. up next, the deep dive into the latest election tally and what we know now about both parties. >>> the results of the 2012 election still aren't official. that won't happen until electors meet to cast and certify their vote. take a deep dive into some of the more interesting stories hidden inside the numbers. one man in america is still tracking this. david wasserman over at the political report has been keeping track of the national vote count and here is what we have so far. thanks to mr. wasserman who is my guest shortly. as you can see so far, look at the president. 50.9%. ro
house is rejecting a republican averting the "fiscal cliff,"... saying it would lower tax rates for the wealthy and stick the middle class with the bill. the house republican plan calls for 800-billion dollars in higher tax revenue over 10 years... but would keep the bush-era tax cuts in place for all income earners. president obama wants to end tax cuts for americans making more than 250-thousand dollars a year. the bottom line -- lawmakers made no progress today on an agreement. >> mitt romney has a job again.. he's returning to the board of directors at marriott international hotel.... he's been on the board twice before - but left to run for political office. romney has kept a low profile since the election - spending his time with his family at their california home. the romney and marriott families are close -- in fact - willard mitt romney was named after the hotel's founder -- j. willard marriott... >> heavy fighting between rebel and government forces in syria. now there is concern that syria could plan on using chemical weapons against the rebels. obama is warmin morn
answered "fiscal cliff" questions on twitter monday. one twitter follower asked, why won't keeping tax rates low across the board encourage more hires and tax revenue? the president replied high-end tax cuts would cost almost $1 trillion while extending middle class cuts will produce growth. if there is no compromise all tax go up and spending will be slashed including cuts to the defense budget. defense contractors gathered in washington monday to discuss the consequences. david language staff is ceo of task a company that develops aviation systems and software for intelligence agencies. >> but i think it's very bad for national security because companies cannot plan. >> republicans sent the president a counterproposal monday afternoon. it includes more than $2 trillion in budget savings and extends tax cuts for all americans. >> us this far republicans have been adamant that rates shouldn't go up on the top 2% wealthiest americans. well, the american people overwhelmingly disagree. >> in addition to using social media the president has been use meetings. tuesday he welcomes governors
the republican counteroffer, the proposal to avoid the so called fiscal cliff. it is a $2.2 trillion offer that does not raise the tax rate on the wealthiest americans and that has become the central issue of the negotiations. the white house says republicans still are not ready to get serious. susan mcginnis is in washington with the back and forth details. susan, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, terrell. gop leaders here on capitol hill sent their plan to the white house in this letter on monday, and now that both initial offers are out there, both sides say it's time to get serious. governors from six states are headed here to washington today to tell president obama their thoughts on the fiscal cliff. the bipartisan group says both sides need to work together to avoid the tax increases and spending cuts due to kick in at the end of the year. >> no one's going to get what they want, but as a country to move forward, we've got to figure out who gives where, and if everything is going to be out on the table, how do we negotiate that? >> reporter: republicans have given a co
and house republicans are rolling out eir fiscal cliff counteroffer to the white house. includes $800 billio in new tax revenue. that is roughly half what the president was aiming for. 300 billion in dcretionary spending cuts. 900 billion in mandatory spending cuts. now the whi house responding just moments ago saying quote, the republican letter released today does not meet the test of balance. they don't like it. i'm joined by da mitch chill from the cato institute for more on this. dan what do you think. these are a lot of things to occur just in the past few hours. do you feel like ere is progress being made? >> there is progress but progress in the wrong direction. the number on thing to understand alrdy even if all the tax cuts were made permanent, tax revenues projected to grow by 6.2% a year. so what they're really debating about how much should it grow even faster than that in order to enable bigger government. 100% of our fiscal problem is on the spending side. obama is being very inflexible on that. republicans i'm afraid will get taken to the cleaners just what happened in 1990 w
to all go over the fiscal cliff. after all, he would be able to point the finger of blame at the republicans to get all the tax hikes he wants, all the defense cuts he's always wanted and some democrats are stating flat out they want to go over the fiscal cliff. watch this. >> i personally think you'll get a lot more deficit reduction if we do the fiscal cliff. i think the markets will reward the fiscal cliff over a period. there will be some panic and moaning and groaning, but first of all, the fiscal cliff is not a real cliff. it's a slope. and you're going to get the biggest bank for the buck in terms of deficit reduction. i think the economy can stand it. yes, we will go into two quarters of recession the cbo says, and i believe that. we're in deep trouble here. somebody's going to have to pay the bill. it's going to have to be all of us. >> joining me with more on all of this, patrick j. buick as well as former clinton special counsel davis. the president campaigns on $800 billion in new taxes. he now wants 1.6 trillion. he wants twice the amount, lanny. he wants a bl
spending cuts and tax increases known as the fiscal cliff. >> tonight we're no closer to a deal. mark matthews is here now with latest for us. >> it's been 16 days since president and leaders met to talk about avoiding ts fiscal cliff n that time, nothing much moved. now, we've got three weeks in change, and the failure will be felt by everyone. in san francisco's cafe, the owner has been watching the fiscal cliff creep closer hoping for a resolution. >> if they don't, it's going to be tough. >> he's talking about employ qleez can see income taxes increase by a couple thousand dollars. >> cost of living is really high. and tough to make especially in the city like san francisco. >> if congress ask the president can't reach an agreement, income taxes will go up on nearly all americans average family paying extra $2000 to $2400 a year, spending cuts mean cuts to education, transportation, research and development. there is a proposal to up airline fee that's could raise $1 billion cutting back on those who receive food stamps could bring in another $4 billion to $16 billion eliminating
and the fiscal cliff. everyone talks about taxes and what is going to happen with the fiscal cliff. there has been $1500 gone to increase oil prices. you can get them that tax cut today if you invested in our report. everybody talks about entitlements. high oil prices make the social security trust insolvent five years sooner than they would if he did not have high oil prices. america needs jobs and growth. following the recommendations in our report will lead to both of those. it would be good for american business. >> i will start with senator alexander. tell me about energy policy and where it fits in with the fiscal cliff. what we will spend money on and how we were tightened our belts. >> the major place it fits is the right policy would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue. that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't
their dividend pay outs to avoid possible tax hikes because of the fiscal cliff. they will pay dividends a total of 18 cents a share for the next three quarters. larry ellison didn't take part in the decision, but he will benefit. he own as 23% stake in the company, so he'll receive around $198 million. yes, you heard it right. oracle stock down 0.8% despite that in frankfurt. still to come, interest rates in australia are moving down. down under. find out what central bank is worried about when we come back. >>> australia central bank held its rate setting meeting. matthew taylor has the details. >> the market had been pricing in a 25 basis point rate cut and the reserve bank delivered with an early christmas present. central bank lowering the cash rate to 3%, this is the lowest level since the height of the global financial crisis back in 2009. the rba says while it's still waiting to seat impact of its previous 150 basis points of rate cuts work its way through the economy, the global outlook is still seen to the down side and judge policy easing was appropriate right now. it does point to so
the fiscal cliff. the president says no deal without raising taxes on the rich. melissa: the nations largest seaport complex at a near standstill for the eighth straight day. drake christopher is going to join us with how this could impact your holiday season. lori: i was just kidding, actually. bacon is kosher. i do not eat kosher. melissa: speaking of kosher -- lori: rubbing elbows with the royals. our next ambassador -- you are speechless. melissa: i do not know about that one. time for stocks now as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides is standing by. nicole: right now, we are seeing the dow jones industrial average down just 12 points. so far, we are having a losing week on wall street. let's see what happens at the end of the day. these moves are really fractional. the s&p down a third of a percent. december, traditionally, is the best month for the s&p 500 since 1950. we will see whether or not that seems to come to correlation. i want to take a look at some of the auto retailers. it turns out they are not doing so well with their sales. pat boys, in particular, revenue missing f
much, dana. >>> there's more than just taxes at issue. entitlements are a huge part of the fiscal cliff standoff. john king is joining us. john, explain to the viewers how medicare factors into all of this. >> reporter: it's where the money is, or at least where a lot of it is. we have this credibility standoff right now. republicans say the president won't be credible until he pushes the democrats to go more on medicare and other entitlement programs. but led's look at the medicare argument. if you're a single man born in 1945, that means you're approaching 70, on medicare. if you made about $20,000 a year during your career, that was your average, then in medicare taxes, you paid about $18,000, roughly $18,000 to $20,000 in taxes. if you made about $110,000 a year in your career, you paid about $88,000 to the government in medicare taxes. that's what you paid in. a lot of conservatives are saying you need to change the program. this is one of the reasons why. this is what you get out. if you paid $18,000, you're getting ten times out over the course of your lifetime in benefits. you p
this go around. reduction offer right off te fiscal cliff. >>> the white house has booted the gop's new deficit reduction off the fiscal cliff. the 10-year plan promises to shave $2.2 trillion through a combination of entitlement cuts and tax reform measures. but house republicans still refuse to meet president obama's bottom line. letting the bush tax cuts expire for the wealthy. in the statement, the white house said that the plan fails the balance test and sticks the middle class with the bill. >>> the gay marriage in california is still on hold tonight. the u.s. supreme court could have announced today whether they would review prop 8. instead the justices announced that they will wait until friday to discuss whether to take up the case. legal experts say the delay ruling means nothing. >> it's like we have so many cases on the docket. let's put this one off next week, no big deal. that's really what happened. it really isn't the dog that didn't bark, but it's the case that has not been resolved yet and we're still waiting. >> professor little says he expects if the court grants a r
was that the majority of americans agreed with president obama's vision of one of the ways to fix the fiscal cliff had to be to put new revenues and raise the tax rates of the wealthiest americans. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> cenk: so taking this case to the american people fighting strong, making his own case which he we've been asking him to do for four straight years. my reaction was this. >> flabbergasted. [ laughing ] >> cenk: what's your reaction. >> slightly flabbergasted because this is not how the president has worked before. he ran with a grassroots in 2008. we tried to recreate that, talked about the ground game in the campaign in 2012. he's taking a grassroots campaign to politics, which is what progressives have been begging him to do now for a while. it seems to be working. all the hash tags and all the my 2 k has tags has gotten up to 13,000 tweets per hour. not every one of them is, hey great idea, mr. president. a lot of them are coming from people who are conservatives saying whatever it is that they're saying. the point is he's in touch with the people. he's not living in a cocoon like he
as the nation edged closer toward a so- called fiscal cliff that could raise taxes by year's end. we begin with a report from newshour congressional correspondent kwame holman. >> we're going to have to see the rates on the top two percent go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: in his first interview since the election, president obama rejected a proposal from house speaker john boehner. he spoke on bloomberg television. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. i'm happy to entertain other ideas that the republicans may present. but we are not going to simply cut our way to prosperity or to cut our way out of this deficit problem that we have. we're going to need more revenues. in order to do that, that starts with higher rates for the folks at the top. >> reporter: the president did say today he would consider lowering rates again for the top two percent next year as part of a broader tax overhaul. the house republican plan envisions $2.2 trillion in deficit reductions over the next decade. $800 billion would come from ne
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